Act Like Men

Men’s Leadership Podcast

#10: Six Step Ministry to Men Engagement Process – Part 1

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July 21, 2022

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The Reality: Only 1% of men in most churches are actively engaged in the local ministry to men. In addition, ~10% of churches in America can sustain a ministry to their men over the long term. One more stat that is a wake-up call on our priority of time and resource allocation: 93% of the time, when a man comes to faith in Christ, his family will follow.

The Reason: Few churches in North America have a clear strategy and process to intentionally grow their men, and to build in processes that will sustain this ministry for the long term. Men’s Ministry Catalyst (MMC) has a strategic Six Steps to Engagement strategy that has worked for hundreds of churches across North America. In this podcast we will walk thru the first two steps: Step One: Aligning with the Pastor’s Vision and Step Two: Developing a Men’s Council.

The Resources: On our website are several resources that are helpful in this journey – and they are free. 1) The full graph on the full Six Step Engagement strategy (feel free to print that off) Men’s Ministry Development Process; 2) Fill out a short survey to help you determine where your ministry to men is today in your local church: Men’s Ministry Assessment. 3) One more resource that MMC will make available to you. We will offer an hour-long strategy consultation completely free. For the Free Session of consulting, please reach out: and we will get back to your shortly to schedule our time together.

The Result: If you follow this simple, albeit not an easy process to follow, you will be a long way down the path of building an engaging ministry with your men, that will have an impact for generations yet to be born – Psalm 78:6. Our prayer is that you will be a catalyst for your local church to build out this engaging ministry within your congregation.

How would you describe the ministry to men in your local church?

Has your pastor been able to share his/her vision for the church with the Men’s Leader/Men’s Council?

If not already, would you be willing to get involved with your local ministry to men?


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And today, we’re going to jump into what is one of the core pieces of mid-semester catalyst, which is a training on how to build and an effective and engaging ministry to men. It’s a simple but difficult six step process to work through. And we’re going to have the next three podcasts today. Two more committed to this topic of six steps.

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Today, we’re going to take a couple of steps and then the next two, we’ll finish it out Dale, can you set the table? Why is this such a critical factor of what we’re trying to do?

00;00;35;10 – 00;01;06;29
Well, again, of all the the issues that face men’s ministry in any church nowadays is the fact that very few churches actually have an effective men’s ministry. In fact, only about 1% of men in most churches are actively engaged in the local ministry to men. So a lot of guys may go to church, but they may not come back even for additional time with other men and connecting with them and praying with them and studying with them and holding those accountability relationships there.

00;01;07;10 – 00;01;29;22
But, you know, it’s really I think here’s the telling tale to only about 10% of churches in America really can sustain a ministry to their men over the long term. Of course, there’s always churches that try to do things like pancake breakfast and maybe a fry, hamburger fry or something or some sporting event and everything else. They try to at least engage their men.

00;01;29;23 – 00;01;55;28
But going through the long term, that’s the challenge. And, you know, the statistic that we’ve heard for the past couple of decades is still true today. While all roles in the family, the children, the wife and the husband are all important. We know that if we go after that, that man in that home. 93% of the time, when a man comes to faith in Christ, the family will follow.

00;01;55;29 – 00;02;00;09
That’s how crucial our ministry demand is in the local church.

00;02;01;13 – 00;02;25;05
Well, well-stated. Thank you. You also mentioned the very few churches that North America really have this clear strategy and intentionally grow their men. I know, I know. They want to in nine out of ten times, probably. But the ability to put a strategy together to make that happen is is often lacking. So, again, that’s what we’re going to talk about in the next three sessions.

00;02;25;28 – 00;02;45;21
Today, we’ll take step one and step two. Step one is aligning with the pastor’s vision. And step two is developing a men’s council or a men’s leadership women’s board, whatever you want to call it. We call it a council. So that’s the term we’re going to use called forward. So they’ll instill pride in, you know, step.

00;02;45;21 – 00;03;09;16
One, like you mentioned, you have to align with the pastors vision for the church. You never want to step between a man who’s been called to a position of authority in the church. When God gives them that not only that calling, there’s normally something connected with it. And part of that is the vision that that person may have, not only for his own individual ministry, but certainly for that of the church that he leads.

00;03;09;16 – 00;03;28;13
And I think I think that’s why this is so important. If you overlooked step number one here in aligning with the pastor’s vision, you’re really going to be out of step with the not only the pastor, but certainly the church as well. So you want to really capture the vision of the pastor and you want that to permeate your.

00;03;28;18 – 00;03;54;04
Your ministry to men for so many reasons. Here, let me give you just a few of them. You really don’t want a silo ministry where it’s only men and they have nothing to do with the rest of the church. They have to have ways to serve and to lead in the church through the men’s ministry. Secondly, you do want your pastors support and some involvement for what you’re doing and you want your pastor to know that you’ve got their back.

00;03;54;19 – 00;04;20;09
When a pastor feels like this is a competitive kind of a ministry to him, he’s always going to question that. So it never, never should be that this is always a complementary ministry. Where you understand his vision and he knows he’s got some, you know, kind of like old David’s fighting men. He’s got guys in his church that are standing with him and will have his back and defend his message and his vision as well.

00;04;20;16 – 00;04;39;06
You know, way too many pastors have been through a rough patch, maybe where they had some strong leaders in their church and they ended up having to do some church discipline as a result. And you never want that to be the case with your kids ministry leadership. Be on the same page. That’s an important, important part of that.

00;04;40;04 – 00;05;15;27
You know, Wendell, I think you know about pastors. You know, pastors want their church to grow in every way possible spiritually, numerically and with the influence of the community. But to do that, you really need some key things in there. Don’t you? You need some key things. For instance, great communication. Great communication. You have to have not only that connection with the pastor, but make sure that he knows when he send you a text or ask, asked for some time, maybe as an appointment or asked you to pray about something.

00;05;16;02 – 00;05;46;02
Do it, follow up, be with them and make sure that you are responding to his needs and and supporting him that way. And also, I think that’s the way that you get that tangible support back from him as well. And, you know, one of the key things may be to build that is to get a get some guys and build the kind of a prayer support team where that can be the kind of the catalyst point for maintaining that ministry with the pastor.

00;05;46;11 – 00;06;01;26
Tell the pastor, look, a couple of us guys are getting together. We’re praying for you. Give us a couple of things that we can pray for you. We’re going to make that a matter of something So, you know, you’ve got Erin and her basically on each side of your arms holding you up and trying to influence you through that.

00;06;01;26 – 00;06;30;06
So, you know, starting that just in a a humble but a servant leadership way and putting yourself at the at the door of the pastor, but at the same time at the beck and call of the pastor the responding needs. I can tell you this, most any pastor in the United States will feel encouraged if he knows he’s got guys that he can depend on that are a phone call or a text away or a prayer away as well.

00;06;31;17 – 00;06;53;03
I think the last thing that I would put into this, too, is it’s important to focus the men’s leadership on all aspects of the church. Just don’t become something that is myopic and tunes out everything else. That’s going on because the work in the Ministry of the church can and should be impacted by godly men of the church in leadership roles.

00;06;53;03 – 00;07;18;09
Certainly But even just their presence, their support, their encouragement, their prayer, all of that comes down to not only for the pastor, but certainly for the men’s ministry, but the church as a whole and the church at large. And when you align with the vision of the pastor of the church, you bring that added horsepower to what is being focused on.

00;07;18;09 – 00;07;29;27
And everyone basically pulls in the same direction and in the same way in the same the same format. So that’s a key part. Just to start with that connection with the pastor.

00;07;30;21 – 00;08;08;15
You know, the one key story of a of a church, they were all about 150, 875 on any given Sunday, but they have more than 20 men involved in key leadership roles could be over children or teach in a Sunday school class or any number of things. And that is really transform that church over the last two and a half years to have these men step up to key leadership roles within the event they’ll have between 50 and 75 guys every every time and sometimes more than that of a church of 150 roughly.

00;08;09;02 – 00;08;29;21
So that that’s tremendous engagement but the big thing is not the numbers, although the numbers matter. The big thing is the transformation of the church. And that is what has been so inspirational to me as they pull key leaders together to take key leadership responsibilities. And the churches is doing extremely well.

00;08;29;22 – 00;08;46;11
Transfer models so much for the church when they see men engaged in active, not passive, not just sitting in the pew or quietly singing, but actively engaged in and supporting the other ministries of the church. I think that’s such a key model. Well.

00;08;48;04 – 00;09;15;03
One more comment here. Step two will a new man, a visitor who’s a man, comes into the church and sees all these men working. What does he feel like? He feels like this is my place. These are my peeps. I’m not visiting. I’m not visiting a church with my wife or my kids or by myself. But I’m I’m enjoying an opportunity where so many men are engaged.

00;09;15;11 – 00;09;17;27
This is a place I can hang. You know, he sees that.

00;09;17;27 – 00;09;36;25
And it’s such a key model for everything else that will do but you’re you are spot on. When the when when a person visits a church for the first time, you’ll know if the men are engaged or not. You can well, you’ll see it not only by by volume or by numbers, but you’ll feel it by the sense of the heart of the church as well.

00;09;36;25 – 00;10;10;24
Yep, yep, yep. That’s great. All right. Step two and this is a key to sustaining a long term ministry. The first of all, is the impetus for the pastors vision is still so eloquently described, but this one sustains a long term ministry. The average church has a ministry to men that lasts about 18 months, and then there’s turnover it’s hard to build much in 18 months, but the reason that happens so often, especially in smaller church, is because whoever has been appointed or volunteers tries to do it themselves.

00;10;11;10 – 00;10;16;10
You you’ve seen the one the one man barely able to deal. He’s got all the instruments all over.

00;10;16;13 – 00;10;20;16
Pretty busy person and a lot of noise, but not a lot of music.

00;10;20;24 – 00;10;46;26
Ha and a lot of perspiration is less overtime and open houses and other things like that as well. What did working his tail off? That’s for sure. But that’s how a lot of guys jump into that. They say, Oh, that would be so much fun to be the leader of men and my church. And they jump in and they’re the one man band and then they start to lose focus.

00;10;46;26 – 00;11;06;17
They try to do everything we have to recruit for every event. You have to have people cover and everything, and unless you have a team together, you are going to burn out pretty soon. They’re tired. They said, You know what? That’s just too much energy. Had to take to do that. I’m not going to do that. They start to get discouraged.

00;11;06;17 – 00;11;37;18
They start to say to themselves, No one cares anyway, really? So why should I be doing that? And then they begin to back out and eventually they fall off. But the key is to build this. This Council where you’ve got key leaders from various aspects of the church who you can draw around you. They’re respected by other men in the church, or when they speak, the guys will listen they’re approved by the pastor, and they’re involved with developing a long term strategy for the Ministry of Men.

00;11;38;00 – 00;12;02;06
Now, you start however you start could be small groups events, et cetera. But what you want is a long term strategy. All of our next sessions, we’ll talk about an assessment, but that assessment is critical to understand what the needs are. So you can build that long term strategy. You guys who, again, have the respect of others, not afraid to get their hands dirty and are willing to join with you for the long term.

00;12;02;06 – 00;12;05;09
That’s a real important piece of it, for sure. Yeah.

00;12;06;02 – 00;12;18;25
One of the key things I found in ministry that was helpful to make sure that you have jobs that are there for the guys that are not the super saints, the guys that aren’t the, you know, 15 or 20 years in Christ kind of people.

00;12;18;29 – 00;12;19;05

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Bring make sure that there’s a spot in there for a guy because again, you don’t need to necessarily have the gift of evangelism to flip pancakes or do not. And, and so if you can bring a guy in that can handle the kitchen part of it or something, there are other people that will be ready to teach, but it’s sharing the load and giving the jobs out to the people that are there and encourage them to be part of a ministry that can accomplish more together than they can individually.

00;12;45;22 – 00;13;15;02
And any men. Well, so let me just give four real quick practical steps to build a men’s council. First one is to understand the strengths that you want the council to embody. So what is it you want from that council? Not all the participants, but the council. And what do you expect of them? The Bible outlines some pretty clear things there, but you don’t have to have everybody still describe as spiritually mature, but they have to be spiritually committed.

00;13;15;05 – 00;13;41;23
Right. And that’s a real key for the council. Yep. Determine the level of commitment the amount of time you’re expecting. So if you’re asking them to get involved at a pretty high level, what does that mean? Is an hour a week, 2 hours a week? Is it 5 hours a month? They all happen to be in two different weeks, try to outline so they have a good idea so they can balance the rest of their life, their family, their work, any hobbies that they have outside of what you’re trying to accomplish and then the culture.

00;13;41;23 – 00;14;00;08
What is it you’re trying to create? You don’t want the council to be a bunch of alpha dogs running around as head of the pack. You want them to be servants. That’s the that’s the culture. You want them to serve the men, the women, the children of the church, but specifically of the men’s events that’s a real key factor.

00;14;00;10 – 00;14;17;03
You know what? I got a key point here. This culture part, it it will permeate everything that’s going to be done from this point forward once this council is in place. So setting that culture correctly and accurately in agreeing with each other on what it’s going to be is a key part.

00;14;17;23 – 00;14;40;26
Yep. And then you have the opportunity to speak to each other about it, make sure you’re you’re making it happen, and then invite your leaders to share what they hope to experience by being part of this council. What role might they want to play going forward? It’s important to understand what their expectations are as well, not just yours to them, but there’s yours as a key leader to try to make that happen again.

00;14;40;27 – 00;15;24;25
Open, honest dialog with the leadership team creating that culture that servanthood making sure each person follows through on their commitment as as they can. I want to wrap with one verse and then a couple of questions. Here’s here’s a verse out of in seasons 411 to 13, it says So Christ gave himself apostles, the apostles, the prophets, evangelist the pastors and teachers to equip his people for works of service so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach the unity of the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God become mature, attaining to the full measure of the followers of Christ.

00;15;25;15 – 00;15;48;16
That’s ultimately what you’re trying to accomplish in your ministry. Tim, in that verse right there, you’re trying to understand the knowledge, your faith in the Son of God become mature, attaining to the full measure of the fullness of Christ, which is that you take, go and make disciples, not just become one so a couple of questions to wrap up.

00;15;49;07 – 00;15;52;29
How would you describe the ministry to men in your local church?

00;15;54;06 – 00;16;15;22
Boy, that’s a good question for anybody. The answer, you know, it is good to be honest with the needs of men and ministry that in their church will begin with that and kind of do that that moment where you kind of break it down and really try to understand what how would you describe it, where would you be, what are the heights, what are the low points, what are the meanings yeah.

00;16;16;06 – 00;16;40;25
Where do we begin on this good evaluation? Has your pastor been able to share their vision for the church with the men’s leadership? Council? That’s a really important factor. Again, they’ll outline it very clearly on why that’s so critical. But don’t overlook that stuff. You don’t want to create a rift. You want to create unity, and you want to support the full body of the full body that that you’re part of.

00;16;41;20 – 00;16;54;17
If you’re not already, would you be willing to get involved with your local ministry to men? That’s always the question, right? Is like, what am I going to do with what I just heard? Yeah, I guess I need to step forward and some of.

00;16;55;00 – 00;17;06;13
The bottom line is I think everybody would really like to see what it is to have a good, effective men’s ministry in the church. The question is, are you ready to help be part of that change in transition in your church?

00;17;07;18 – 00;17;09;28
That’s always the right question. That’s good.

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About Wendell Morton

Rev. Morton graduated from Western Evangelical Seminary with a BA in Religious Education and a Master of Counseling Psychology, Rev. Morton was in full-time ministry for 17 years with both small and large churches. He spent four of those ministry years with Promise Keepers. He was the the US representative to PK Canada – serving on the PK Canada Board.

Wendell also spent 23 years in Corporate America. He built and led sales teams that worked with very small businesses and other groups that worked with Fortune 500 companies. He is gifted at helping identifying the next generation of leaders as well as helping those around him being successful.

Rev. Morton has a passion to help pastors and church leaders build growing churches. Having men come alongside the vision of the pastor, build a dynamic team, create a plan, and execute the model of “each one brings one” has been proven effective for more than 2,000 years. This approach is a great way for every local church in North America to grow while helping men better understand biblical manhood.

About Dale Eudy

As an advocate for ministry to men, Dale Eudy brings a combined background of leadership skills developed in the marketplace along with senior leadership experience in the Church.

Following military service, Dale earned his undergraduate degree and gained valuable systems and operations experience working for two prominent Fortune 50 companies. Responding to God’s leading in his life to focus on leaders in the body of Christ, he went on to complete seminary and served as a pastor for 16 years in a large church in the Denver area and as a denominational leader at the regional and national levels. With his background, Dale knows the heartbeat of the local church.

Dale’s passion is the discipleship (spiritual reproduction) of men. That passion is what drew him to partner with Men’s Ministry Catalyst. In his words, “The simple call of Jesus to follow him and to make fishers of men is the most foundational call in my life.” Using his spiritual gifts of leadership and exhortation, Dale is a great coach and cheerleader for those involved in the arenas of life.

Dale and his wife Kathy live in Highlands Ranch, Colorado and serve their home church, Cherry Hills Community Church. They have two grown children and a caring extended family.